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This guy joesy138 has been posting some wickedly old school clips of Ateneo games. These bring back some of the supposed "dark ages" of the blue and white. However, in this particular game, Ateneo's gunners were on target and hitting from all cylinders.
Notable names:
ATENEO
Brandon Sison, 1/2 and the better shooter of the Sison twins. He played either 3 or 4 but obviously favors staying beyond the arch for those long bombs.
Brian Sison, the Sison I grew up watching. He was a mid-range, dribble pop type of player who can also wreak havoc in the paint. I remember him a bit more bulky than his twin.
Gabby Cui, whenever you find Van Opstal or Joshua Webb over-acting after a made basket, remember that it was Gabby Cui who started the Rodman-like presence and passion in college hoops. Played in the PBA for some time.
John Verayo, some would consider him one of Ateneo's most potent scorers. And yet only a handful of people nowadays can honestly say they've heard of his name. He threw up threes like Silungan, but made them like Ritualo. Quick and deadly.
Tonichi Pinzon, before the LA Tenorio, the Jai Reyes, the Emman Monfort and even before the Paul Tanchi and the LA Mumar, Ateneo had this spitfirish guard who would play each game like it was his last. Ateneo breeds great guards as much as they do big men.
Alexander Arespacochaga, yes, Assistant Coach Sandy donned the blue and white not too long ago. As you can see, he was one of the last few who were "lucky" or "unlucky" enough to wear the supposedly cursed no.9. Coach Sandy wasn't a star, but I am sure his patience for training them big men comes from his own experience. He was the Nonoy Baclao of his time.
Ryan Pamintuan, I remember my dad telling me that Ryan was the best-skilled big man to ever to come out of Ateneo's HS system. He had the bulk of a Center, the strength of a forward and the footwork of a guard. But I believe he also had the bones and ligaments of a baby. He got injured and lost his groove throughout his college basketball career.
Mon Tioseco, you might remember him when he played during a La Salle- Ateneo friendship game 2 years back. I remember him as Rainier Sison's partner in hitting bombs left and right for Ateneo.
LA SALLE
I will not go into too much details on each of their players, but let me site some points that might be useful info on how good the ] dynasty of La Salle was during the olden days.
Mark Telan - 2-time UAAP MVP and consistent Mythical 5 Member. Played in the PBA.
Don Allado - Multiple MVP awards in the collegiate and amateur ranks, consistent Mythical 5 Member, probably the single most dominant big man for the Green Archers. Multi-titled in the amateurs and the pros. He was and still is the "King Archer"
Dino Aldeguer - Leader of La Salle's drive for the dynasty. Played for the MBA and had a stint in the PBA. Crucial cog in the dethronement of the FEU powerhouse. One of the steadiest guards ever.
Tyrone Bautista - Shooter and designated hitman. Played for both the MBA and PBA.
Chris Tan - Step son of Coach Norman, played in the MBA and a few seasons in the PBA. Shooter.
Maoi Roca - Became a showbiz guy after he joined Tropang Trumpo in the late 90's.
Luigi Trillo - Former Adamson Coach and well-known for his prominent family name..and now for his hideous commentating.
Calijohn Orfrecio - He was the Cholo Villanueva or the Maui Villanueva of the greens. Scrappy but effective.
Imagine all this before Renren, Cortez, Cardona, Casio, Cuan, Arana, Meierhoffer, Jose, etc... La Salle was always loaded. So yeah.. you cannot doubt their winning run.
I miss seeing players wear shirts under their jerseys. Wesley and Rainier used to do that. I dare our players to do that.
If the Blue Eagles become this efficient with their outside game, you can just imagine how quick a game can turn into a blowout.
Thank you for the person who posted these vids. (See '97 Ateneo juniors vs UST) BJ Manalo in action.
---MMPKP
Wednesday, September 7, 2011
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This one time I would have to disagree with NFP. The words "Tonichi Pinzon" and "great guard" don't belong in the same paragraph, let alone the same universe. Perhaps that's just your nostalgia talking?
ReplyDeleteNow I don't know if Pinzon was a basketball hotshot when he was in HS, but by the time I came to Ateneo as a college freshman in SY '96-'97 he was already sucky.
Maybe he thought it was Richie Ticzon? haha
ReplyDeleteamazing video. asteg!
ReplyDeleteGanda rin makita nung crowd sa game na yun! Solid mag cheer eh! 6th Man talaga!
ReplyDeleteI don't think MMPKP is dumb enough to be unable to tell Richie Ticzon and Tonichi Pinzon apart.
ReplyDeleteDon Allado as King Archer? No way. Give me Renren. He was the only DLRTian to have ever scared the living crap out of me each time had the ball. Limpot would be a close second.
ReplyDelete@BlueBlood - In this blog, Nonoy is President..not Rabbeh, not Villanueva, not Buenafe, not Tiu... Nonoy. So I don't know what your measure of being King is, but I find it a bit odd that being king equates to the amount of points you put up. Allado, was La Salle's leader. He dominated on both ends of the floor. He was the type of player who would dive for loose balls. With a few seconds left on the clock, I'd give the ball to Renren. But for a 40min game, I'd live and die with Don. La Salle did, and they were invincible. I'd even put Cortez over Ren if we're talking about fear.
ReplyDelete@Tibibord - you probably were a UAAP player before, given your very high standard of guards. I'm not questioning your opinion but sharing mine. Like what I told BlueBlood, I found Tonichi in the same light as the "great" guards because they had one thing in common; being court general for the blue and white. Tenorio had Fonacier, Gonzales, Rich, Enrico, and the rest of the 2002 champion squad. Jai had Buenafe, Long, Salva, Salamt, Rabbeh, Nonoy, Tiu and the rest of the 2008. Lost Tiu, but still got another one in 2009. Emman had less but still got his ring in 2010 . Plus now add Kief and Greg...and looks like he's going to get another one. Macky Escalona brought Ateneo to the Finals with Doug and Intal. Pinzon had, well... a bunch of streak shooters and hustle players. The 97 team (and the other teams in the 90's) never won a championship, and their names most likely forgotten, but for "nostalgic" people like me, who by the way probably 10years your junior, I find the simple fact that Pinzon donned the blue and white and played almost 35min per game even with the 20min halves, speaks volumes of his abilities.
Tonichi Pinzon, Richie Ticzon... yes, the video was sooo confusing since Richie Ticzon was playing.
---MMPKP
Pinzon played so many minutes because we did not really have too many options at PG back then. The tone of your reply has a bit of a condescending tone, and yet it seems you weren't even there to see those guys play in person. Atenista ka na ba noon? This may be your blog, but you surely don't have a monopoly on knowledge of Ateneo basketball. Bata ka pa, hijo.
ReplyDeleteI just hate it when the "old guys" start using their age as an excuse to be superior.
ReplyDeleteBefore the situation gets out of hand and we see more ad hominem attacks, can we all just agree to disagree about Tonichi Pinzon? He was a great Atenean point guard but not in the greater scheme of basketball things. Is that cool for all parties?
ReplyDeleteIt's not about Pinzon or Renren. Sino ba sa buhay ko ang mga yon? It's about the condescending tone that your friend put into his response. At the end of the day, all of us are entitled to our own views. Just express them the "right" way. It's all good, though. More power pa rin to NFP.
ReplyDeleteAnd to Anonymous, I am not making an excuse for anything. It's all just a matter of courtesy. If you find that offensive, then you have a problem.
You talk about a condescending tone when it's you who looks down on people just because they're young.
ReplyDeleteApologies to BlueBlood if I came of condescending. Not sure though if you were commenting on the Allado thing or the Pinzon thing? I happen to find the Allado reply necessary because I needed to prove a point and needed to prove it with facts on why the stuff I wrote were not just my opinion but a fact even during the time he was called King. I said Allado is King Archer, you questioned it, so I gave you my points. But again, if I could have put it in a better manner, I apologize.
ReplyDeleteThe Pinzon reply for Tibibord was because I didn't like how he was speaking as though I was writing blind and how the measure for greatness is based on his standard. If it was his opinion, then why didn't he provide reasons for why Pinzon isn't deserving to be considered a great guard, he simply called him "sucky" (based on memory). That's exactly why we hate Atayde in this blog. Cause he declares things he doesn't back up with points. Even if it's his opinion. Like you said, "all of us are entitled to our own views. Just express them the "right" way"...
I wouldn't write something if I was simply guessing. Yes I was already an Atenean then, just not as old as you probably were. Bata pa nga ako...but I do hope you guys don't think we do not do our research here before we write. This is just a blog, but we do have our basics of journalism to back up our opinions.
I'll apologize to Tibibord na rin since he might react the same way.
I respect all your opinions naman, but as you can see, I expect some points to go with them for the benefit na rin of our "younger" readers who aren't as familiar or researched with all these unfamiliar names and teams.
---MMPKP
I was referring to the way you phrased your reply to my comment. Please also pardon my strong retort. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Apology was not necessary, but definitely appreciated. We're still on the same side.
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